A Conversation with Vine Deloria, Jr.
Native Literature and the American
Southwest
I
watched a video called, A Conversation with Vine Deloria, Jr., on Native
Literature and the American Southwest. The interview was conducted by Geri Keams,
Steve Crum, and Steve Nelson. Vine Victor Deloria, Jr. was an American Indian
author, theologian, historian, and activist. Most people believe that American
Indian literature was a discovery of the late 1960s. Deloria suggests that our interest
in Native Americans runs in twenty-year, generational cycles. What are they,
and why, what was the public climate? Through his comments we can begin to
understand Native American literary history.
First,
Geri Keams asked “Who do you write for? Do you feel you write for Indian people
or do you feel you write for non-Indian people?” Vine Deloria, Jr., explained
that book contracts are given when the publisher thinks it is a commercial book,
which means that it will sell in New York City. New York City sells a quarter
of the books sold in this country annually. If you write from a Western
perspective you will think that readers know certain things. But, when that
manuscript gets to New York the editors change it. When he wrote articles for
the New York Times from an Indian perspective, a majority of it was taken out. The
publisher alters it to appeal to a nebulous audience. But, you are not able to
change that. So, you choose between picking your audience and saying what you
want or getting published.
Next,
Geri Keams asked, “So how do you feel personally about the impact of your
writing?” Vine Deloria, Jr., spoke on how most writing on Indians is done by
non-Indians from the East. Over the century, there is an interest in Indians
about every 20 years, where a few Indian writers come about. They will publish
a few books or articles, and then a non-Indian expert starts writing. Then you
get about 18 years of white fantasies about Indians and two years of actual Indian
writings. When Indians ask for recognition of values it is upsetting to white
culture, they do not like hearing the Indian viewpoint. He wished that he attacked the
fundamental beliefs of the white world view and brought Indians in a different
way.
Then,
Steve Nelson asked, “Do you think that this problem with the editor as far as
him cutting out the guts of your article, do you think that that discourages
other Indian writers?” Vine Deloria, Jr., replied that Indian writers are
discouraged by the way publishers only let a few people from each minority group
be recognized at a time. Minority groups are outside white culture, and at
certain points the whites think they should feel guilty over something. Then
they choose a minority group, and hear them out. So, minority groups who waited
twenty years to say what was done to them and how they want to be compensated
for it, speak out. Then all they get in response from the white society is an apology.
Lastly,
Steve Crum asked, “Could you suggest certain academic areas that the children
who are growing up now might be able to go into during this interim period?” Vine
Deloria, Jr., responded by saying that history is the most important. He said
you need new interpretations of oral history. In school world history that
starts in Egypt and then in 1492, come the Indians. So, whites do not
understand this group. So we need heretical thinkers to break up the
evolutionary explanation of human knowledge. In Supreme Court cases you see taking
of Indian lands on the basis that Indians are hunters and should give their
land to white farmers. It is the order of nature, thus, you do not need to
argue legal rights. If people are trained in evolutionary thinking they will
look at Indians as a prior state of existence and see their own culture as
superior. So we must use the ecological movement and new theories of history to
stop that mindset. It will require creative thinking.
http://parentseyes.arizona.edu/wordsandplace/deloria_comments.html
An interesting thing that you point out, which is not readily apparent when reading a book, is that the publishers change the content to appeal to the reading audience. This means that the author’s words, no matter how important or relevant they are to the story they tell, can be changed or even disregarded. This says a lot about American culture since the publishers are concerned more with entertaining the readers than providing them with true and accurate information. For the author it would be frustrating to research historical data only to have it eliminated by the publishers because it wasn’t exciting enough or because it might offend some readers. If they want to provide a true and meaningful depiction of life as a Native American, which includes all of the struggles, the loss of independence, the loss of rights and values, and the obliteration of their land and even their families, they would not be able to portray an accurate description if the publishers did not see enough of a selling aspect. Very sad.
ReplyDeleteKelly,
DeleteI agree with your statement that “publishers change the content to appeal to the reading audience.” That is because it is all about the consumer. I find that in all facets of pop culture in our country, we fail to be original at any length anymore. If you are to turn on the radio or watch movies on tv, they more often than not tend to have some sampling of another artists songs or movies are a remake of an older version or a sequel or prequel. I oftentimes think we as a society fail to produce any original thoughts. It is quite disappointing.
Anyhow, I think there should be more examples of raw and gritty historical examples. I think that removes the sugar coating that we as Americans come to appreciate. The presence being that behind our walls everything isn’t nice as it is perceived. We do have an enormous amount of challenges. Racial and gender inequality still run rapid hundreds of years after our nations origin.
I feel a lot can be observed and learned from classic examples of the lifestyle the Native Nations presented about the dynamics of life, interacting with others, and the importance of spiritual life regardless of religious following.
Rick
Hi Katie!
ReplyDeleteYou did a great job of breaking down the video so that other readers could understand. It is interesting to think about the fact that different aspects of culture are not being represented as well as they should be in the literary world due to restrictions based on what will sell. In addition, your post helped me reflect on the fact that the majority of authors who are published do seem to be white writers and this is likely not necessarily due to them being better writers but because of the fact that publishers have to think in terms of money and what "voice" will be more easily understood.
Great post and when I have the time I'll have to watch the whole video!
Interesting video Katie!! I was reading something in regard to Native American literature for my mythology class the other day !
ReplyDeleteLaura
DeleteAfter reading your comment I realized we are in the same mythology class.
I loved the interviews I read with Linda Hogan after reading Power. I would like to read some more stuff by her when the course is over and I have more time to read for entertainment.
Katie, it is really kind of sad that the publishers change so much. But I guess the authors really have no choice if they want to sell their books. Was interesting to read that interest in Native writing seems to be on a cycle like that.
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ReplyDeleteHi Katie,
ReplyDeleteVery interesting post and very interesting topic. I think it speaks to the moral conflict between the two worldviews. It seems that Native Americans would like to share their knowledge and wisdom with the dominating culture, but because the dominating culture is more interested in entertainment and consumption (major drivers of our capitalistic competitive economy) those social dynamics control what material the publishers are willing to work with and how they present it. I think we should not 'place blame' for the oppression solely on the publishers in mainstream US culture though, because much of the power of the system resides with the individuals in a society. If we, as individuals, rejected the entertainment media and consumption driven and competitive economic structure, and instead embraced truth and practiced constraint and cooperativeness, the publishing industry would necessarily shape itself to the new desires of society. Yet, the dominating culture profits from the systems it has created, so to a very large extent, many of us have difficulty seeing how others are disadvantaged by the very same set of social rules that benefit us.
Hello Nancy,
ReplyDeleteYou brought up very valid point. If people rejected what the media is showing us then the publishers and such would change the message. I am surprised that women especially have not started a new movement to boycott the media. Considering that women are portrayed falsely and only in a sexual context. We are allowing ourselves to be lied to. For some reason we accept what we are given, instead of standing up against it.
Ha Ha Katie. Some of us do reject the media. I haven't had television, listened to popular radio or read popular magazines to any extent in over 20 years now. Yet, I am able to find many things that interest me on the internet. As far as other women who stand up to the sexist domination of the mass media, there are many. Consider-
ReplyDeleteSinead O'Connor's open letter to Miley Cyrus: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/03/sinead-o-connor-open-letter-miley-cyrus
Auckland Uni's law school's parody of Thicke's Blurred Lines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2M6JUFCCSA
And Amanda Palmer's response to the Daily Mail:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiAffX0x04k
Warning: these contain somewhat suggestive material but in a very positive way - enjoy!
Thank you Nancy I did enjoy reviewing those sites. I have stopped reading those magazines as well. It is sad that people become so easily influenced by the media.
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